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相对来说就是毛子坦克攻击,防御,机动各方面比较平衡,而西方则牺牲了防御力换取其他方面的提升是么?(各类RPG游戏传说中的加点系统泪流满面……话说回来,游戏里头要是单刷的话,果然还是要平衡一点吧,木有队友的支持弱点太明显的话比较容易悲剧……苏联属于单机玩家思路,西方则明显属于组队刷怪那种网游类的……)

不过,两边设计目的都不太一样,毕竟一边是特化过的专门对装甲型号,另一边则属于要适应多种任务的万能型设计,在中东战场上的失败是否跟阿拉伯国家与苏联的战斗方式,以及陆军整体武器系统的区别也有些关系呢?毕竟各国开发的武器都是以适合本国国情为最先要求的……买几架毛子飞机,坦克,那要不要买他们的通讯,协调系统?远程打击武器?是否要抄袭他们的军队组织方式?在接下来就该直接派军官去苏维埃受训?

另外刚刚反应过来,米国的四代战机不也是这种平衡型的设计么,他想要同一飞机兼顾多重任务,因此……难道是因为玩家级别太高了,因此不需要担心类似的问题?

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原帖由 疏楼龙宿 于 2011-2-14 14:37 发表

自己找找91年的兵器知识吧。确实提到过是碎甲弹。另外,铁血网的giveway也在他的回复里提到过。你的证据呢?

凑热闹党路过,以下资料摘选自维基百科,T54/55条目

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-54/55

Service history(服役史)

[edit] Soviet Union to Russian Federation

The T-54/55 and the T-62 were the two most common tanks in Soviet inventory—in the mid-1970s the two types together comprised approximately 85% of the Soviet Army's tanks.

T-54 tanks served in the 1956 invasion of Hungary, and a few were knocked out by Molotov cocktails and Hungarian antitank guns.[11]The revolutionists delivered one captured T-54A to the British Embassy in Budapest, the analysis of which spurred the development of the Royal Ordnance L7 tank gun

(T54参加了1956年苏联入侵匈牙利,少数几辆被燃烧瓶和匈牙利反坦克枪击爆,革命主义者们将一辆被俘获的T-54A送往了布达佩斯的英国使馆,其分析结果被用在了Royal Ordnance L7坦克炮的开发上)
. The T-62 and T-55 are now mostly in reserve status; Russian active-duty units mainly use the T-80 and T-72, with a smaller number of T-90 tanks in service.
An abandoned Tiran-5 in South Lebanon


[edit] Middle East(中东)
A destroyed Iraqi T-55 and supply truck, painted with graffiti by Coalition troops, along the highway between Kuwait City and Basra, Iraq, following the retreat of Iraqi forces from Kuwait during Operation Desert Storm

During the 1967 Six-Day War, U.S.-supplied M48 Patton tanks, Centurion tanks, and even upgraded World War II era Sherman tanks, faced T-55s. This mix of Israeli tanks, combined with superior planning of operations and superior airpower, proved to be more than capable of dealing with the T-54/T-55 series.[12]

By the 1973 Yom Kippur War, the T-54A and T-55's gun was starting to lose its competitive effectiveness to the 105 mm Royal Ordnance L7 gun mounted in Israeli Centurion Mk V and M60A1 tanks.

(1973年Yom Kippur战争,T-54A和T-55的坦克炮面对装备了105 mm Royal Ordnance L7的以色列军Centurion Mk V和M60A1开始显得无力……)
Israel captured many T-55s from Syria and mostly Egypt in 1967, and kept some of them in service. They were upgraded with a 105 mm NATO-standard L7 or M68, a US version of the L7, replacing the old Soviet 100 mm D-10, and a General Motors diesel replacing the original Soviet diesel engine. The Israelis designated these Tiran-5 medium tanks, and they were used by reserve units until the early 1990s. Most of them were then sold to assorted Third World countries, some of them in Latin America, and the rest were heavily modified, converted into heavy armoured personnel carriers; the Achzarit.


[edit] Vietnam War(越战)

In the Vietnam War, the North Vietnamese NVA used T-54s against the South Vietnamese ARVN and US forces.

The NVA and ARVN engaged each other for the first time during Operation Lam Son 719, in February 1971. During that battle, 17 M41 light tanks of the ARVN 1st Armored Brigade destroyed 22 NVA-tanks, 6 T-54 and 16 PT-76, at no loss to themselves.[13]

(1971年2月,在Lam Son 719计划中,南北越南首次交火,该次战斗中,南越17辆M41轻型坦克无伤成功摧毁了包括6辆T54和16辆PT-76的22辆北越南军坦克)

On Easter Sunday, 2 April 1972, the newly-activated ARVN 20th Tank Regiment, consisting of approximately 57 M48A3 Patton tanks (ARVN regiments were equivalent to US battalions, and ARVN squadrons were equivalent to US companies or troops)[14] received reports of a large NVA tank column moving towards Dong Ha (the largest South Vietnamese city near the DMZ at the 17th parallel). At about noon, the crewmen of the ARVN 1st Squadron observed enemy armour moving south along highway 1 towards Dong Ha, and concealed their tanks on high ground with a good vantage point. Waiting for the NVA column to close to between 2,500 and 3,000 meters, the 90-mm guns of the Pattons opened fire, quickly destroying nine PT-76 light tanks and two T-54 medium tanks.[14] The remaining NVA armour, unable to see their enemy, turned about and withdrew.

(1972年4月2日,南越新编第20坦克团的月57辆M48A3巴顿坦克发现了一个想着Dong Ha的北越军坦克纵队,该日下午,占据了制高点的该团第一中队在理北越纵队2500-3000米处开火,迅速摧毁了9辆PT-76轻型坦克和两辆T-54中型坦克,北越残军,由于无法观察到敌军,只得转身撤退。
注:南越军一个团相当于美军的一个营,而一个南越南军中队则相当于米军一个连)

On 9 April 1972, all three squadrons of the 20th Tank Regiment fought enemy armour, firing upon tanks accompanied by infantry, again while occupying the high ground. The Pattons opened fire at approximately 2,800 meters. A few answering shots from the T-54's fell short, and the NVA tanks began to scatter. By the end of the day, the 20th had destroyed sixteen T-54 and captured one Type 59, at no loss to themselves.[14]

(1972年4月9日,南越第20坦克团三个中队全部遭遇与对方装甲部队的战斗,占据着制高点的巴顿坦克于距离对方2800米处开火,少量来自的T-54的反击因射程问题均无法达到目标,因而北越部队开始冲锋。当日该部队共击毁北越军16辆T-54,俘获一辆59式(这个难道是中国的?),己方无一损失

NVA armour units equipped with the T-54 tank achieved one of their greatest victories in April 1972, when the NVA 203rd Armored Regiment attacked the ARVN 22nd Infantry Division at Tan Canh, which dominated a main route into the city of Kontum. After a two-day artillery barrage, eighteen T-54 tanks from the 203rd regiment attacked the 22nd Division at dawn from two directions, breaking the ARVN unit, which quickly abandoned its positions.[15]

(北越军T-54装甲部队在1972年4月迎来了其最大的胜利,当北越军203装甲团在Tan Canh攻击南越第22步兵师时伴随着两日的炮火覆盖,18辆203团的T-54从两个方向夹击203师,贯穿了该部队,迫其迅速撤离)

On 30 April 1975, T-54 tank No. 390 of the NVA 203rd Armored Regiment went crashing through the gates of the South Vietnamese presidential palace, signalling the end of the war.[15]

(1975年4月30日,北越军第203坦克团第390号T-54坦克撞破了南越总统府的大门,象征着战争的完结)



[edit] Other conflicts(其他冲突)
Column of Yugoslav T-55 tanks in Slovenia.

T-54 tanks were used during the Cambodian civil war.[16] During the Ugandan-Tanzanian War of 1978-79, Libya sent an expeditionary force to aid Uganda dictator Idi Amin which included a few dozen T-54/55 tanks. Some of these tanks saw action against Tanzanian forces.[17]

Polish T-55L tanks were also deployed during Martial law in Poland to intimidate the population and suppress overt displays against the Communist government.[18]

The T-54/T-55 saw action against South African and UNITA forces during the war in Angola. This Soviet tank's reliability and ruggedness matched the demanding African operational environment. However, several numbers of T-54/T-55 tanks were lost to South African Olifant MBTs, artillery fire, and wire-guided missiles in several engagements.

(T-54/55参加了安哥拉战争对Unita以及南非军队的战斗,苏式坦克的可靠性以及耐操符合非洲战场环境的要求,然而面对南非的Olifant主战坦克,炮兵攻击以及制导导弹损伤惨重)




The T-55 was the most numerous tank of the Yugoslav People's Army (JNA). It was the mainstay of armoured combat units during the Yugoslav Wars, where it proved vulnerable to infantry equipped with anti-tank rockets, and to misemployment in urban areas and unfriendly terrain. But there were too many of them in service for them to be replaced. During the battle of Vukovar, where the JNA grouped a large part of its tank force, a number was destroyed, almost exclusively by infantry-carried anti-tank weapons. The T-55 tank remained the most common tank in the armies of the Yugoslavian successor states until recently, and it was the most used tank by all armies during the wars. T-55s were used by Yugoslavia and Macedonia in Kosovo and the 2001 Macedonia conflict.

China sold thousands of Type 69 tanks to both Iran and Iraq during the Iran–Iraq War of 1980-1988 (known as the Persian Gulf War prior to 1991). Some saw action during Operation Desert Storm in Iraq and Kuwait in January/February 1991, and during the 2003 US invasion of Iraq (Operation Iraqi Freedom).

(在1980-1988年的两伊战争中中国买给伊朗和伊拉克上千辆69式坦克,某些甚至出现在了两次海湾战争中)


The T-55 has been used by Ethiopia in conflict with the Islamic Courts Union in Somalia.

The Sri Lanka army used T-55s in the Sri Lankan Civil War, which concluded in May 2009, against the LTTE (Tamil Tigers). A T-55 belonging to the LTTE was destroyed on 6 April 2009; according to media reports, it was a model produced in Czechoslovakia and obtained by the LTTE in 2001 or 2002.

嘛,毕竟不是专业的,翻译的不咋地,希望对二位的讨论有所帮助


另外……有没有这么悲剧啊喂 T-54?!!貌似您老面对步兵十分牛气,一旦面对对方坦克部队就伤亡惨重啊喂?!而且为毛对方动不动就是无伤通关啊喂?!虽然是2战末期开始出现的……但是怎么说也太寒酸了吧喂?


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